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		<title>By: jtqvsmoz tvljuesa</title>
		<link>http://uwmike.com/articles/2008/02/17/facebook-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-38804</link>
		<dc:creator>jtqvsmoz tvljuesa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Errol</title>
		<link>http://uwmike.com/articles/2008/02/17/facebook-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-33340</link>
		<dc:creator>Errol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Allo Mike!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I gave up on Boombox.  For some reason, it removed itself from my profile, and when you view it (in firefox or safari) it looks funny, and I can&#039;t even minimize the thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I found Jukebox though, and I tested to make sure it doesn&#039;t require a login or someone else to add the application.  It&#039;s very barebones, but I like it.  You can check it out on my profile page.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allo Mike!</p>
<p>I gave up on Boombox.  For some reason, it removed itself from my profile, and when you view it (in firefox or safari) it looks funny, and I can&#8217;t even minimize the thing.</p>
<p>I found Jukebox though, and I tested to make sure it doesn&#8217;t require a login or someone else to add the application.  It&#8217;s very barebones, but I like it.  You can check it out on my profile page.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominick</title>
		<link>http://uwmike.com/articles/2008/02/17/facebook-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-33265</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Definitely good rules to follow, and certainly the way I&#039;ve been designing my (not quite finished) app.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t agree with &quot;I shouldn’t have to log in to do so. I should be able to send anonymous cowbell&quot;, though. At least, not in all cases.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not having to log in to an app is great, but I&#039;d be wary of allowing truly anonymous users (as in, anonymous to each other, &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; to the app developer) to submit content. Without knowing the user ID of the user (through logging in), you can&#039;t track spam or block malicious users. Viewing content is fine.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely good rules to follow, and certainly the way I&#8217;ve been designing my (not quite finished) app.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with &#8220;I shouldn’t have to log in to do so. I should be able to send anonymous cowbell&#8221;, though. At least, not in all cases.</p>
<p>Not having to log in to an app is great, but I&#8217;d be wary of allowing truly anonymous users (as in, anonymous to each other, <em>and</em> to the app developer) to submit content. Without knowing the user ID of the user (through logging in), you can&#8217;t track spam or block malicious users. Viewing content is fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Frettsy</title>
		<link>http://uwmike.com/articles/2008/02/17/facebook-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-33264</link>
		<dc:creator>Frettsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: Visual Bookshelf
I thought you might want to check out my newest app, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=11801792183&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Fav Things&lt;/a&gt;. It is basically a beefed-up version of Visual Bookshelf. &quot;What defines YOU? Pick and display your Fav music, movies, books, clothes, gadgets, video games, and more on your profile.&quot; The app was launched this week and our users already love it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Great article!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Visual Bookshelf<br />
I thought you might want to check out my newest app, <a href="http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=11801792183" rel="nofollow">My Fav Things</a>. It is basically a beefed-up version of Visual Bookshelf. &#8220;What defines YOU? Pick and display your Fav music, movies, books, clothes, gadgets, video games, and more on your profile.&#8221; The app was launched this week and our users already love it.</p>
<p>Great article!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Purvis</title>
		<link>http://uwmike.com/articles/2008/02/17/facebook-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-33175</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Alex: That was on reddit a while back. It&#039;s sort of fun as a toy, but in terms of actual usefulness, I&#039;m not really sure. Seems to me it&#039;s up there with colouring the scrollbar in terms of violating UI consistency in the name of brandability.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And it&#039;s kind of a shame that it&#039;s that sort of silliness holding up CSS3, when there are things in there (columns!) that web developers would have really liked to be able to use, like... last year.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex: That was on reddit a while back. It&#8217;s sort of fun as a toy, but in terms of actual usefulness, I&#8217;m not really sure. Seems to me it&#8217;s up there with colouring the scrollbar in terms of violating UI consistency in the name of brandability.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s kind of a shame that it&#8217;s that sort of silliness holding up CSS3, when there are things in there (columns!) that web developers would have really liked to be able to use, like&#8230; last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://uwmike.com/articles/2008/02/17/facebook-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-33158</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ahahaha, &lt;a href=&quot;http://metaatem.net/highlite/?text=Created+by+several+brave+journalists+committed+to+transparency%2C+Wikieaks+has+published+important+leaked+documents%2C+such+as+the+Rules+of+Engagement+for+Iraq+%5Bsee+my+The+Secret+Rules+of+Engagement+in+Iraq%5D%2C+the+2003+and+2004+Guantanamo+Camp+Delta+Standard+Operating+Procedures%2C+and+evidence+of+major+bank+fraud+in+Kenya+%5Bsee+also+here%5D+that+apparently+affected+the+Kenyan+elections.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs+of+Friday%2C+February+15%2C+those+going+to+Wikileaks.org+have+gotten+Server+not+found+messages.+Today+I+received+a+message+explaining+that+a+California+court+has+granted+an+injunction+written+and+requested+by+lawyers+for+the+Cayman+Island%27s+Bank+Julius+Baer.+It+seems+that+the+bank+is+trying+to+keep+the+public+from+accessing+documents+that+may+reveal+shady+dealings.+Wikileaks+was+only+given+a+couple+of+hours+notice+%22by+email%22+and+was+not+even+represented+at+the+hearing+where+a+U.S.+judge+took+such+a+drastic+step+attempting+to+totally+shut+down+an+important+information+outlet.+The+result+was+this+totally+unprecedented+attempt+to+totally+wipe+out+the+existence+of+Wikileaks.+Created+by+several+brave+journalists+committed+to+transparency%2C+Wikieaks+has+published+important+leaked+documents%2C+such+as+the+Rules+of+Engagement+for+Iraq+%5Bsee+my+The+Secret+Rules+of+Engagement+in+Iraq%5D%2C+the+2003+and+2004+Guantanamo+Camp+Delta+Standard+Operating+Procedures%2C+and+evidence+of+major+bank+fraud+in+Kenya+%5Bsee+also+here%5D+that+apparently+affected+the+Kenyan+elections.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs+of+Friday%2C+February+15%2C+those+going+to+Wikileaks.org+have+gotten+Server+not+found+messages.+Today+I+received+a+message+explaining+that+a+California+court+has+granted+an+injunction+written+and+requested+by+lawyers+for+the+Cayman+Island%27s+Bank+Julius+Baer.+It+seems+that+the+bank+is+trying+to+keep+the+public+from+accessing+documents+that+may+reveal+shady+dealings.+Wikileaks+was+only+given+a+couple+of+hours+notice+%22by+email%22+and+was+not+even+represented+at+the+hearing+where+a+U.S.+judge+took+such+a+drastic+step+attempting+to+totally+shut+down+an+important+information+outlet.+The+result+was+this+totally+unprecedented+attempt+to+totally+wipe+out+the+existence+of+Wikileaks.Created+by+several+brave+journalists+committed+to+transparency%2C+Wikieaks+has+published+important+leaked+documents%2C+such+as+the+Rules+of+Engagement+for+Iraq+%5Bsee+my+The+Secret+Rules+of+Engagement+in+Iraq%5D%2C+the+2003+and+2004+Guantanamo+Camp+Delta+Standard+Operating+Procedures%2C+and+evidence+of+major+bank+fraud+in+Kenya+%5Bsee+also+here%5D+that+apparently+affected+the+Kenyan+elections.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs+of+Friday%2C+February+15%2C+those+going+to+Wikileaks.org+have+gotten+Server+not+found+messages.+Today+I+received+a+message+explaining+that+a+California+court+has+granted+an+injunction+written+and+requested+by+lawyers+for+the+Cayman+Island%27s+Bank+Julius+Baer.+It+seems+that+the+bank+is+trying+to+keep+the+public+from+accessing+documents+that+may+reveal+shady+dealings.+Wikileaks+was+only+given+a+couple+of+hours+notice+%22by+email%22+and+was+not+even+represented+at+the+hearing+where+a+U.S.+judge+took+such+a+drastic+step+attempting+to+totally+shut+down+an+important+information+outlet.+The+result+was+this+totally+unprecedented+attempt+to+totally+wipe+out+the+existence+of+Wikileaks.&amp;image=http%3A%2F%2Fuwmike.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F05%2Fprofile_middle.jpg&amp;colors=128&amp;width=120&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;check it out&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;sorry bout the insanely long url&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahahaha, <a href="http://metaatem.net/highlite/?text=Created+by+several+brave+journalists+committed+to+transparency%2C+Wikieaks+has+published+important+leaked+documents%2C+such+as+the+Rules+of+Engagement+for+Iraq+%5Bsee+my+The+Secret+Rules+of+Engagement+in+Iraq%5D%2C+the+2003+and+2004+Guantanamo+Camp+Delta+Standard+Operating+Procedures%2C+and+evidence+of+major+bank+fraud+in+Kenya+%5Bsee+also+here%5D+that+apparently+affected+the+Kenyan+elections.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs+of+Friday%2C+February+15%2C+those+going+to+Wikileaks.org+have+gotten+Server+not+found+messages.+Today+I+received+a+message+explaining+that+a+California+court+has+granted+an+injunction+written+and+requested+by+lawyers+for+the+Cayman+Island%27s+Bank+Julius+Baer.+It+seems+that+the+bank+is+trying+to+keep+the+public+from+accessing+documents+that+may+reveal+shady+dealings.+Wikileaks+was+only+given+a+couple+of+hours+notice+%22by+email%22+and+was+not+even+represented+at+the+hearing+where+a+U.S.+judge+took+such+a+drastic+step+attempting+to+totally+shut+down+an+important+information+outlet.+The+result+was+this+totally+unprecedented+attempt+to+totally+wipe+out+the+existence+of+Wikileaks.+Created+by+several+brave+journalists+committed+to+transparency%2C+Wikieaks+has+published+important+leaked+documents%2C+such+as+the+Rules+of+Engagement+for+Iraq+%5Bsee+my+The+Secret+Rules+of+Engagement+in+Iraq%5D%2C+the+2003+and+2004+Guantanamo+Camp+Delta+Standard+Operating+Procedures%2C+and+evidence+of+major+bank+fraud+in+Kenya+%5Bsee+also+here%5D+that+apparently+affected+the+Kenyan+elections.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs+of+Friday%2C+February+15%2C+those+going+to+Wikileaks.org+have+gotten+Server+not+found+messages.+Today+I+received+a+message+explaining+that+a+California+court+has+granted+an+injunction+written+and+requested+by+lawyers+for+the+Cayman+Island%27s+Bank+Julius+Baer.+It+seems+that+the+bank+is+trying+to+keep+the+public+from+accessing+documents+that+may+reveal+shady+dealings.+Wikileaks+was+only+given+a+couple+of+hours+notice+%22by+email%22+and+was+not+even+represented+at+the+hearing+where+a+U.S.+judge+took+such+a+drastic+step+attempting+to+totally+shut+down+an+important+information+outlet.+The+result+was+this+totally+unprecedented+attempt+to+totally+wipe+out+the+existence+of+Wikileaks.Created+by+several+brave+journalists+committed+to+transparency%2C+Wikieaks+has+published+important+leaked+documents%2C+such+as+the+Rules+of+Engagement+for+Iraq+%5Bsee+my+The+Secret+Rules+of+Engagement+in+Iraq%5D%2C+the+2003+and+2004+Guantanamo+Camp+Delta+Standard+Operating+Procedures%2C+and+evidence+of+major+bank+fraud+in+Kenya+%5Bsee+also+here%5D+that+apparently+affected+the+Kenyan+elections.%0D%0A%0D%0AAs+of+Friday%2C+February+15%2C+those+going+to+Wikileaks.org+have+gotten+Server+not+found+messages.+Today+I+received+a+message+explaining+that+a+California+court+has+granted+an+injunction+written+and+requested+by+lawyers+for+the+Cayman+Island%27s+Bank+Julius+Baer.+It+seems+that+the+bank+is+trying+to+keep+the+public+from+accessing+documents+that+may+reveal+shady+dealings.+Wikileaks+was+only+given+a+couple+of+hours+notice+%22by+email%22+and+was+not+even+represented+at+the+hearing+where+a+U.S.+judge+took+such+a+drastic+step+attempting+to+totally+shut+down+an+important+information+outlet.+The+result+was+this+totally+unprecedented+attempt+to+totally+wipe+out+the+existence+of+Wikileaks.&amp;image=http%3A%2F%2Fuwmike.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2007%2F05%2Fprofile_middle.jpg&amp;colors=128&amp;width=120" rel="nofollow">check it out</a></p>
<p>sorry bout the insanely long url</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://uwmike.com/articles/2008/02/17/facebook-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-33156</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Totally unrelated, I just thought you&#039;d find this interesting - http://metaatem.net/selcolor.php&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally unrelated, I just thought you&#8217;d find this interesting &#8211; <a href="http://metaatem.net/selcolor.php" rel="nofollow">http://metaatem.net/selcolor.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Purvis</title>
		<link>http://uwmike.com/articles/2008/02/17/facebook-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-33130</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, it&#039;s a limitation of the API that you need to have an active session key in order to update a user&#039;s profile box—it&#039;s a specific intention that you only update the box in response to user behaviour. So if user X performs an action in your app, you can use their session to update the profile boxes belonging to users X and Y, but you&#039;re not supposed to just update people&#039;s boxes or post news stories for no reason.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is frustrating, and it really affects the ability of an app like last.fm to be effective. I&#039;ve been facing some of the same struggles with creating an app for &lt;a href=&quot;http://wordie.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wordie&lt;/a&gt;, and I think the way other developers have been solving the problem (without resorting to a &quot;refresh&quot; button) is to simply piggie-back update requests on top of other user activity. So you have your cron job running that builds up a queue of updates due, and you just force them through in batches of twenty (or whatever) as part of other session queues.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The solution that Facebook has provided is &lt;a href=&quot;http://developers.facebook.com/documentation.php?v=1.0&amp;doc=auth#infinite_sessions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Infinite Sessions&lt;/a&gt;, which is workable I guess, but has the side effect that you have to ask the user&#039;s permission in order to acquire one. For something like an auto-updating last.fm box, the user should be prepared to grant it an infinite session, but it&#039;s just one more barrier and confusing approval to have to grant.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, it&#8217;s a limitation of the <acronym title="Application Programming Interface">API</acronym> that you need to have an active session key in order to update a user&#8217;s profile box—it&#8217;s a specific intention that you only update the box in response to user behaviour. So if user X performs an action in your app, you can use their session to update the profile boxes belonging to users X and Y, but you&#8217;re not supposed to just update people&#8217;s boxes or post news stories for no reason.</p>
<p>This is frustrating, and it really affects the ability of an app like last.fm to be effective. I&#8217;ve been facing some of the same struggles with creating an app for <a href="http://wordie.org/" rel="nofollow">Wordie</a>, and I think the way other developers have been solving the problem (without resorting to a &#8220;refresh&#8221; button) is to simply piggie-back update requests on top of other user activity. So you have your cron job running that builds up a queue of updates due, and you just force them through in batches of twenty (or whatever) as part of other session queues.</p>
<p>The solution that Facebook has provided is <a href="http://developers.facebook.com/documentation.php?v=1.0&amp;doc=auth#infinite_sessions" rel="nofollow">Infinite Sessions</a>, which is workable I guess, but has the side effect that you have to ask the user&#8217;s permission in order to acquire one. For something like an auto-updating last.fm box, the user should be prepared to grant it an infinite session, but it&#8217;s just one more barrier and confusing approval to have to grant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarek Piórkowski</title>
		<link>http://uwmike.com/articles/2008/02/17/facebook-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-33089</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarek Piórkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, and last.fm&#039;s profile box is pretty much a continuing, non-updating disaster of no use to anyone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://uwaterloo.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=2359167966&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;30 Boxes&#039; calendar app&lt;/a&gt; looks somewhat promising, but I haven&#039;t played with it nearly enough to judge. I believe it has some degree of iCal support for synchronization, but no idea how much.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and last.fm&#8217;s profile box is pretty much a continuing, non-updating disaster of no use to anyone.</p>
<p><a href="http://uwaterloo.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=2359167966" rel="nofollow">30 Boxes&#8217; calendar app</a> looks somewhat promising, but I haven&#8217;t played with it nearly enough to judge. I believe it has some degree of iCal support for synchronization, but no idea how much.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarek Piórkowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarek Piórkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;So, anything else worth using on Facebook?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Not much. I purged off my application list last month, and the remaining serious ones are Scrabulous and the last.fm app.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Last.fm apps come in two flavours. I use it for a very specific purpose - the proper last.fm site takes ages to load and kills my slower computers when rendering, so I use &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=2382623615&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What I&#039;m Listening To&lt;/a&gt; for a quick check-up on what&#039;s scrobblin&#039;. It&#039;s pretty neat in that it links your facebook friends who have one of the two official last.fm apps installed to their last.fm profiles. Unfortunately, it &lt;em&gt;only&lt;/em&gt; displays your last.fm friends who&#039;ve added the apps on facebook. And if you don&#039;t use last.fm in the first place, it&#039;s pretty useless.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=2379507556&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is the sun burning?&lt;/a&gt; is an amazing application, but I am afraid it does not pass your criterion #1.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s see if I got the Markdown code right...&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>So, anything else worth using on Facebook?</p>
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<p>Not much. I purged off my application list last month, and the remaining serious ones are Scrabulous and the last.fm app.</p>
<p>Last.fm apps come in two flavours. I use it for a very specific purpose &#8211; the proper last.fm site takes ages to load and kills my slower computers when rendering, so I use <a href="http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=2382623615" rel="nofollow">What I&#8217;m Listening To</a> for a quick check-up on what&#8217;s scrobblin&#8217;. It&#8217;s pretty neat in that it links your facebook friends who have one of the two official last.fm apps installed to their last.fm profiles. Unfortunately, it <em>only</em> displays your last.fm friends who&#8217;ve added the apps on facebook. And if you don&#8217;t use last.fm in the first place, it&#8217;s pretty useless.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id=2379507556" rel="nofollow">Is the sun burning?</a> is an amazing application, but I am afraid it does not pass your criterion #1.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see if I got the Markdown code right&#8230;</p>
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